{"id":94,"date":"2008-04-16T03:36:49","date_gmt":"2008-04-16T11:36:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.oeconomist.com\/blogs\/daniel\/?p=94"},"modified":"2023-09-03T06:02:25","modified_gmt":"2023-09-03T13:02:25","slug":"im-not-voting-for-her-because-shes-a-bitch","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.oeconomist.com\/blogs\/daniel\/?p=94","title":{"rendered":"<q>I'm not voting for her because she's a bitch!<\/q>"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In a protected entry, an <abbr title=\"LiveJournal\">LJ<\/abbr> Friend linked to <span style=\"display: block ; margin-top: 1em ; margin-bottom: 1em ; margin-left: auto ; margin-right: auto ; text-align: center ;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.salon.com\/mwt\/feature\/2008\/04\/14\/obama_supporters\/index.html\"><q>Hey, Obama boys: Back off already!<\/q> by Rebecca Traister at Salon.com<\/a><\/span> a couple of days ago.  She didn't give her own assessment of the article, beyond saying that it was interesting.  I've decided to make a few comments on it.<\/p> <p>The principal thesis of the article seems to be that a significant source of support for Obama amongst social democratic (<q>progressive<\/q>) males is really founded in <em>sexism<\/em>.  Now, I've seen plenty of <em>hypocrisy<\/em> amongst social democrats, but consider that <em>Margaret Thatcher<\/em> became the leader of the British <em>Conservative<\/em> Party in 1975 and their Prime Minister in 1979, and served until 1990.  Do we <em>really<\/em> want to even <em>suggest<\/em> that sexism is going to be more of a determinant amongst Democratic voters in 2008 than it was amongst British Conservative voters in 1975, or than it was amongst Britons more generally in 1979?<\/p> <p>There are a few revealing passages in the article that I think merit special attention:<\/p> <blockquote>Valenti continued, <q>Because their friends were not being specifically sexist, or saying something that was tangibly misogynistic, they were having a hard time talking about the sexism of it.<\/q> Valenti confirmed that this <q>Feminine Mystique<\/q>-y problem that has no name was familiar to her. <q>I spoke to a guy friend who said, <\/q><q>You're being ridiculous. I'm not not voting for her because she's a woman; I'm not voting for her because she's a bitch!<\/q> He could not see the connection between the two things at all. Valenti said he explained away his comment by declaring, <q>I mean <\/q><q>a bitch<\/q> in the sense that she's not good on this or that issue.<\/blockquote> <p>People use the word <q>bitch<\/q> to mean a number of things.  But when Hillary's opponents call her a <q>bitch<\/q>, they don't typically mean that she is <span style=\"font-style: italic ;\">tough in a way with a peculiarly significant relationship to her sex<\/span> (distinctive or inappropriate); they instead mean that she is <span style=\"font-style: italic ;\">sanctimonious, hypocritical, and vicious<\/span>. (If you want a clear sense of these perceptions, then read <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slate.com\/id\/2187780\"><q>The Tall Tale of Tuzla<\/q> by Christopher Hitchens in <cite>Slate<\/cite><\/a> or the milder <a href=\"http:\/\/ac360.blogs.cnn.com\/2008\/04\/12\/carl-bernstein-what-a-hillary-clinton-presidency-look-like\/\"><q>A Hillary Clinton Presidency<\/q> by Carl Bernstein at CNN<\/a>.)<\/p> <p>A couple of paragraphs later,<\/p> <blockquote>Valenti continued, <q>I pinpoint sexism for a living. You'd think I'd be able to find an example. And I hate to rely on this hokey notion that there's some woman's way of knowing, and that I just fucking know. But I do. I just know.<\/q> When it comes to feminism, she continued, so much proof is required to convince someone that sexism exists, <q>even when it's explicit and outrageous. So when it's subdued or subtle, you don't want to talk about it.<\/q><\/blockquote> <p>Note the epistemology here.  She cannot produce any evidence, but she's insisting that the attitude of these men must be sexist.  And she acts as if the reluctance of some people to accept even the <em>plainest<\/em> of evidence is an excuse for making a charge with <em>no<\/em> evidence.  I would suggest that if Ms Valenti perceives a difference of opinion whose cause must be sexism, and she cannot produce evidence of sexism on <em>one<\/em> side, then perhaps she ought to be looking for it on the <em>other<\/em> side.<\/p> <p>The article is <em>very<\/em> right about one thing: A great many social democrats &mdash; and a great many people who are <em>not<\/em> social democrats &mdash; have developed unreasonable expectations for Obama:<\/p> <blockquote><q>You already see this idealistic longing projected on Obama,<\/q> Bruch said. <q>People talk about him as a secular messiah who will bring us political salvation. There's no sense of what is plausible.<\/q><\/blockquote> <p>Unless McCain makes missteps extraordinary even for a Republican, he will win the general election.  And the sorts of domestic programmes and foreign policy that Obama has been advocating would bear <em>very<\/em> bitter fruit, in some cases very quickly, causing the nation to <em>lurch<\/em> to the political right.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"In a protected entry, an LJ Friend linked to Hey, Obama boys: Back off already! by Rebecca Traister at Salon.com a couple of days ago. She didn't give her own assessment of the article, beyond saying that it was interesting. I've decided to make a few comments on it. 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